tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4979545333979747089.post8722496180470657207..comments2024-03-01T06:33:20.145-07:00Comments on The Running Man: Renato Canova / Training UpdateWyatt Hornsbyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14224514798393011001noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4979545333979747089.post-83415867684631710152012-12-11T12:22:29.490-07:002012-12-11T12:22:29.490-07:00AJ & GZ: I agree that you need to train at you...AJ & GZ: I agree that you need to train at your MGP even if you're at altitude and the race is at sea level. That said, my experience has been that intense altitude training requires more recovery, which means that intensity at elevation needs to be accompanied by real rest. Runners at sea level need recovery, for sure, but not like altitude runners. I guess what I'm saying is that a 17-24 mile MGP run at altitude is going to be much more strenuous for the altitude runner than for the sea level runner.<br /><br />Brownie, you've made an interesting point that could bolster the pro-long slow distance argument. However, I can't help but wonder what your time might have been had you done lots of fast miles in your training.....<br /><br />WyattWyatt Hornsbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14224514798393011001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4979545333979747089.post-57637891791376481432012-12-11T07:55:48.162-07:002012-12-11T07:55:48.162-07:00You need to consider Brownie's stops at variou...You need to consider Brownie's stops at various pubs.GZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12623054918799881730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4979545333979747089.post-9968395849922760082012-12-11T07:52:28.020-07:002012-12-11T07:52:28.020-07:00I rarely run under ten minutes per mile in Colorad...I rarely run under ten minutes per mile in Colorado Springs, but just last year threw down 2:53 at sea level. And probably would have ran 2:57ish at NYC. GZ has no clue what he's talking about (as usual). I also don't think I really train at altitude, since I've lived here for so long my body is used to it by now.browniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09505392867686096325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4979545333979747089.post-19085347859189287912012-12-10T21:49:16.622-07:002012-12-10T21:49:16.622-07:00I agree that the benefit of altitude is often lost...I agree that the benefit of altitude is often lost if those paces are not trained at ... in other words if you are going to run 6:50 miles in your Canova runs to prep for the 2:55, then you are not going to get that to be at 6:40 at sea level.<br /><br />GZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12623054918799881730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4979545333979747089.post-51628217866451557942012-12-10T20:40:50.505-07:002012-12-10T20:40:50.505-07:00Lots of good stuff packed into one post! That art...Lots of good stuff packed into one post! That article on Canova is interesting. I think that the difficulty in following his methods is that they are pretty advanced and probably not appropriate for 95% of runners. I would think you'd have to have several years (3-4 at least) of training at a high level with lots of miles in order to handle that kind of training.<br /><br />Another thing that catches my attention is altitude math. In my experience, predicting how much it will help when you drop is difficult to do. I think it was Daniels that pointed out that must train your body to run at race pace (at least a portion of the time) regardless of altitude. I think the argument is that your raw power and stride need to be trained even if the lower altitude feels aerobically easier. When I ran the Vegas RnR marathon, I don't think I saw a tangible benefit, definitely not one that approached 5 mins. The good news is that you seem to be training for 2:55 at 6300 feet, so any benefit you get should just be an added bonus for you!AJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03256410616083520026noreply@blogger.com